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Item:1970 Pontiac GTO The Judge
1970 Pontiac GTO The Judge
1970 Pontiac RAIII GTO Judge, PHS, #'s Match,ConcoursResearch 1970 Pontiac GTO
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Ended:Nov 08, 200914:08:05 PST
Bid history:16 bids
Current bid:US $50,100.00
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Shipping:Buyer responsible for vehicle pick-up or shipping.
Item Location:Dallas, TX, United States

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Item number:150384586838
Item condition:Used
Sells to:Worldwide
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Number Of Owners:2
VIN:242370R116425
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Report Run Date:Nov-08-2009 12:11:32.660 CST
Title: 1970 Pontiac RAIII GTO Judge, PHS, #'s Match,Concours
Mileage: 72,000 miles
Location: Dallas, TX
Vehicle Information
VIN: 242370R116425 | See the free Vehicle History Report
Warranty: Vehicle does NOT have an existing warranty
Title: Clear
Condition: Used
For sale by: Private seller
Features
Body type: CoupeEngine: 8 CylinderExterior color: Silver
Transmission: ManualFuel type: GasolineInterior color: Black
Disability equipped: --    

This is the one

Up for Auction is a stunning 1970 Pontiac GTO Judge. If you have been waiting for the right 1970 GTO Judge then please take a look at this one. There are 79 detailed pictures that will load so please give it some time. It will be worth the wait. This car has a solid southern history with correct numbers matching motor,4 speed and 3:23 posi rear end. If extreme quality and high end details, coupled with a perfect body fit and finish are important to you then this is the car you have been looking for. I have been restoring cars for over 22 years and have seen it all. My last car sold on ebay was Auction # 180413827969 and was the 1972 455 HO 4 speed Trans Am that sold for 58,000 and change. I restored that car from the ground up and this Judge is one level above it and is a True #1 car. I was a quality engineer for General Motors for 15 years and have talked with workers that built these cars and have seen a lot of the original documentation and paperwork on these cars. I have restored this judge to what I think is the correct detail items and paint markings based on years of research and experience. Pictures located at this link  http://www.fototime.com/inv/37112B60B935BC0 

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History

This car was sold new by Central Pontiac-Buick Company of Laurel, MS. and before coming to the good climate of Texas was garage kept in Laurel,MS by the previous owner until purchased by me in 1994. This judge is one of 3,629 judges produced that year. The only judge model that is rarer than this is a 1971 with 357 total hard tops produced. The 1969 production total was 6,725. This car is unique because very few judges came with vinyl tops. It is believed that about 100 judges were built with this option. A total of 3,054 RA III Hardtop GTO's with 4 speed were built. Breakdown does not show how many Judges were built with 4 speed but I would estimate about 2,500 based on what I have heard from other people and articles.  How many still survive? 4 speed numbers matching Judges had a very high attrition rate and are no longer around to be restored. Good guess is about 1/2 have had PHS documents ordered.  

Documentation  

   1.  Car is well documented by PHS and comes with the complete package.

    2.  Have original picture of the Judge in front of the original owners house before I purchased the car.

    3.  Various receipts for all the work and parts purchased will be included with the sale.

    4.  90% of the parts used to restore the car were NOS or nice original. All others were purchased from Ames performance parts. Trusted parts that look good and fit correctly.

    5.  The Vin on the motor matches the Vin on the dash and all build dates for major motor and drive train parts precede the build date of the car.

Numbers Matching

The Vin for the car is 24237OR116425 and was built at the Arlington,Tx assembly plant. the Vin number on the motor is 20R116425. See pics below.

Engine Build

The engine was built to stock specifications. Some parts were updated to current technology for driveability and reliability.

1. Short block was built with correct "N" crank shaft ,correcting rods(new ARP rod bolts), forged TRW pistons, moly rings, windage tray and the complete assembly was internally balanced to make the motor last and run very smooth. This will help it last another lifetime. Block was honed with a torque plate to keep the cylinders round and true so the rings will seat correctly. Casting number on the block is 9799914 and the casting date is H289. August,28 1969. Build date on trim tag is 10A which is the first week in October. Block was cast 4 weeks before the build date of the car which is standard lead time.

2. Heads were completly rebuilt with bronze guides and new valves. No porting to the heads to keep the motor true to the original design. New Comp cams dual springs were installed with 10 degree locks and new retainers. The springs are matched to the 272 High energy hydraulic Comp Cam that translates into a good idle and just a hint of a loap. Cam produces 15 inches of vacuum and is perfect for power brakes, power steering and A/C. Double roller Comp Cams timing chain was used to tie the crank to the cam. New pushrods and rockers were installed.  Head casting numbers are "12" and a matched set. Date code is J029. Assembled just before it was put into the car. Intake is the correct part number of 9799068 but is a later date code. A060. I purchased the car with an Edelbrock intake installed, The original was not saved by the original owner. 

3.  Carburator and Distibutor are the correct date coded and numbers matching components. Carb was professionally rebuilt by "Custom Rebuilt Carbs" in Middlesex,NJ. Fully restored and correctly replated. Carb performs flawlessly and has a perfect idle. Distributor was cleaned and new shaft bushing installed. I added a Lob Sensor Pertronix system. Nice set-up and will give years of trouble free use. Ignition Coil is NOS GM correct. Distributor cap is black and wires are 7mm replacements to look like originals but are better quality.

4. 4 Speed was completly rebuilt with a full kit and shifts very smoothly with positive engagement. Case number is 3925660, tail case is 3950306, and the side cover is 3952648. Build date is P9R2 which is Oct 2, 1969. Linkage has been cleaned and rebuilt with Hurst components. Very smooth.

5 Rear end is the correct date coded case with posi 3:23 set-up that came with A/C cars. It has been cleaned and new seals added. Posi is still in solid original shape. Nothing else needed.

6. Exhaust is a stock replacement that is correctly bent, aluminized 2-1/4 pipe with correct Exhaust tips and correct hardware. This car sounds just like it did back in 1970. I will be adding a video clip of the motor running and the exhaust note. Simply Pontiac Perfect.

Condition       

This is a high quality, concours ready show car that has been driven only 20 miles to tune and adjust the car to perfection. This was a high quality survivor before the restoration was started. The paint has been color sanded and polished with no trace of orange peel anywhere. If you saw the 72 455 HO Trans Am paint. This car is one step up from that. Very hard to achieve that with silver metalic paint. The body will show all imperfections if not prepared exactly right. Seasoned car enthusiats know how hard it is to get a body fit and finish as nice as this car. The stainless and trim are show quality mint and were polished by " Don's East Coast". He is the one that does all the 55-57 chevy stainless if you want to win shows. He does flawless work. Vinyl top is GM NOS. Has the correct gloss and pattern so that it looks perfect and not fake like some of the aftermarket ones that are too shiny or the pattern is not correct. The interior is show quality all the way. Instruments have been detailed and the dash is the unmolested original. Simply perfect. Only thing in the interior that is not original is the console and steering wheel. The console is the Ames replacement and looks very good and fits perfect. The formula wheel was added and did not come with the car originally. Just looks better. I do have the original one that will go with the car if wanted. Console lid works perfectly but does not have the correct thumb tab to open. It is the 1969 style. The only thing that is missing is the AM radio. I have not been able to find a nice one that will match the level of the interior integrity. Seatbelts are a nice date coded deluxe set that simply look perfect with the black interior. NOS window crank handles and pedal pad stainless was installed "hence plastic bags over the pedals".  All the external turn signal and tailight len's are NOS replacements and the car has it's original set of T3 headlights. The quality of the parts used is there and will look good for years to come. The rear spoiler is the original one that came with the car. It is painted semi-gloss black "optional correct color" and I think it looks better with the silver paint. All the turn signals and other instruments function with the exception of the temp gauge. I will have that sorted out by the end of the Auction. It needs a new sending unit. Tac works perfectly. Doors shut smoothly as original with the solid GM sound. All the glass is tinted and nice with a NOS rear window and new quarter windows installed.  The A/C system has been cleaned and has all new o-rings installed and the compressor has the correct amount of oil installed. It is not charged due to obtaining the correct R-12. Compressor Clutch has been replaced and a new bearing was installed on the pully. System will work with a charge and looks brand new and original. Complete inspection paint dots and marks were added as well as all the correct code stickers. Highly detailed car. Everything else is as it looks in the detailed pictures. If you would like a picture of a certain area of the car, please feel free to email me and I will provide it.   

Options  

Build sheet lists

SVT- Cordova Top, 354- 4 speed trans, 484-Tac and gauge cluster, 582 A/C, 332- The Judge, 361-Posi track,401-PB radio, 494-Console and 621-Spkr-R/H. Just the right combination of options. Pontiacs can get fat with options but tend to get a little lethargic in performance. This is not the case with this car.  

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Terms and Conditions of Sale

I will be available by cell phone for questions and help with this car. Please call Russ Roper @ 318-547-3714  9-7pm daily. I will return your call promptly and professionaly. Bidding on the car is a binding contract so please take your time. Call me with questions before you bid if needed. First time bidders with less than 20 or Negative feedback will need to contact me before I will accept your bid. I reserve the right to cancel anyones bid that does not comply to these terms and conditions. 

You are welcome to inspect the car in person. Just call to set-up a time. Funds should be ready before bidding. Full payment is due (5) business days after the end of the auction unless I have agreed to other terms in writting. Payment terms are as follows, Wire Transfer is preferred  for the winner but I will accept Cashiers checks, Bank Checks and direct deposit but the vehicle and title will not be relinquished until all funds have cleared both banks. Any other payment method must be agreed upon prior to the end of the auction. 

This vehilce is sold as-is, where is with no warranty. Descriptions of condition and appearenceare a subjective nature. No verbal description on my part constitutes and warranty or guarantee. A restored or partially restored vehicle my have small imperfections and flaws that are only seen under severe inspection.

I will help anyone with transportation as this car is within 30 miles of all major shipping in the DFW texas area. Winning bidder will pay shipping. I have 100% feedback rating and have been a member of ebay since 1998. Very good personal integrity.


On Oct-29-09 at 16:56:11 PDT, seller added the following information:

One thing I forgot to add. Car has a complete set of original Date coded JA stamped wheel. JA and JT wheels were used on Judges. JA's I understand were early production wheels and JT's were later in the production run. 


On Oct-30-09 at 18:25:56 PDT, seller added the following information:

Just added some more pictures of the car and 3 video's for your enjoyment.

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Questions and answers about this item
  
 Q: REALLY REALLY nice car. over the top, i love the question you got from the "judge expert" what a ass hole, i would have told him something nasty, but oh well. i had a 70 judge orbit orange, its was on the cover of a... Continue reading
A: Thanks for the email and comments. I try to be professional to all. The stuff that has been mentioned is small picky stuff for Concours Judged showing at a national show. This car is just a nice investment for someone that... Continue reading
Nov 07, 2009 
  
 Q: From the photos it appears to have a black rear spoiler? That looks good on that color car, if that is the case. thank you
A: Thanks for the question. The Judge does have a black rear spoiler and it does look better in my opinion too. Thanks for the compliment. Russ
Nov 06, 2009 
  
 Q: Hi, I am also a judge expert? you have a very nice one, the timing cover is not a 70 timing cover. You may want to change over to win at a national showing. I also have round port cars. yours looks like it is show only... Continue reading
A: Thanks for the email and the compliments. The timing cover is a 1972 or 73. As the orignal I still have has a nice rotten spot that would not work. Original 70 should only have 0,6 and 12 degree marks on the timing tab. Good... Continue reading
Nov 01, 2009 
 Q:  Very nice work you did on this Judge, one of the best I've seen....I had 3 myself, 1 ram air 3.. 2 ram air 4 cars... Please put the Blacked out grill in it, All Judges came with blacked out grills..... ... Continue reading
A: Thanks for the Compliments. I have worked hard on this car but it was a nice one to start with. Thanks for the "Blacked out grill" comment. I don't know what I was thinking. I know that fact but I guess I have... Continue reading
Oct 30, 2009 
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GET a vehicle history report before purchasing a used car (1981 or later).
BEWARE of fraudsters who send fake email messages claiming to represent or offer escrow services as part of eBay's Vehicle Purchase Protection program.


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If your vehicle is near you, just make arrangements with the seller to pick it up. If it's further away, you can either fly or drive to the car's location, or you can hire a shipping service to get it delivered to your door. The seller may have additional options available, so check their description for more information.
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To ensure a smooth transaction, be sure to review all of your options for payment and financing carefully before purchasing this vehicle. Review the seller's payment instructions carefully. If you have any questions, be sure to ask the seller before bidding or sending your payment.
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Safe Buying Tips for Vehicles
NEVER pay for a vehicle by instant cash transfer, such as Western Union or Moneygram.
ALWAYS check the My Messages section in your My eBay page to confirm any emails from us requesting account information.
GET a vehicle history report before purchasing a used car (1981 or later).
BEWARE of fraudsters who send fake email messages claiming to represent or offer escrow services as part of eBay's Vehicle Purchase Protection program.
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Interested in buying this vehicle? Use this checklist to help you make a safe and successful purchase.
Read the vehicle description -- carefully!
Read the seller's description carefully and contact the seller with questions before you go to examine the vehicle. Look for the "Ask seller a question" link at the top of the listing.
Learn how you are protected
The Vehicle Purchase Protection program helps protect your vehicle purchase against fraud. VPP is available for all eligible transactions completed on the eBay Motors site.
  • eBay provides up to $50,000 in free Vehicle Purchase Protection for this vehicle.
Read the vehicle history report
History reports are not available on vehicle made before 1981. You can order an inspection to validate the vehicle's condition. Learn more in Services.
Review the seller's feedback
The seller's feedback rating is a valuable tool to learn about the positives and negatives of a seller's transactional history. When buying a vehicle, look for a seller with positive feedback and take the time to read comments from other buyers to get a sense of the seller's reliability.
Contact the seller
It is important to contact the seller and have your questions answered to your satisfaction before you make an offer or bid on a vehicle. Use the "Ask seller a question" link at the top of the listing.
Find out what the vehicle is worth
Before you make an offer, find out what this vehicle is worth. Go to learn Price Research what similar vehicles recently sold for on eBay Motors.
Get information on title transfer, registration, and taxes
Contact the seller about the status of the vehicle's title, and visit your state's Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) Web site to get information on the processes and potential costs associated with title transfer, registration, and taxes.
Calculate monthly payments
If you're interested in a loan, you can calculate monthly payments and get current interest rates in Financing. Be sure you can pay the amount in full or have allowed enough time to secure financing before you make an offer.
Estimate shipping or transportation costs
If the seller isn't local, review how much it will cost to ship or pick up (by flying or driving) the vehicle in Shipping.
Make a bid
You are ready to purchase this vehicle. Learn more in Buying on eBay Motors.
Send a deposit
It is common practice for vehicle sellers to require a deposit within 72 hours after the end of a successful listing. The listing should contain deposit information and instructions. If this information is not available, contact the seller directly.
  • This seller requires a US $1,000.00 deposit within 48 hours of auction close.
Pay the final amount
Instructions on how to pay for the vehicle will be provided in the listing, or you can contact the seller directly. For your protection, never use instant cash wire transfers such as Western Union & MoneyGram.
Arrange pick up or shipping
It is standard practice on eBay Motors for the buyer to make the arrangements and pay the costs associated with picking up (by flying or driving) or Shipping the vehicle.
Transfer title and pay taxes
You're almost done! The last step is to complete the title paperwork and pay any required taxes on the vehicle. This information varies by state and vehicle type so contact your local Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) office for more information.
If you have additional questions, please visit Buyer Services or the eBay Motors Help section.
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